What is Wesak

very precious, Assaji son

this was received from a friend.. who wasn’t the author either
.. author unknown…
truth isn’t owned in the sense of belonging to any one person, is it
No one creates truth
It just is

much love

Thank you both
and
Happy Wesak : )

Greetings Than Assaji,
I ended up coming upon your home page again, just clicking links and… Yea!  Life is very exciting for me and what I feel and the beings I interact with when I happen upon your home page, in short order, resemble you and I am amongst Thai Forrest oriented beings of the N/nonphysical R/realms.  To remind you, I had decided to ordain as a monk of the Thai Forest Tradition but there was this path I've been on that revealed that path.  One which leads me to ask you, 'why would you suggest anyone is being a “fool?” '.  Maybe the person is a fisherman and lives near the ocean?
I ask this because, in a way, I view the teaching as more of a learning.  It's whatever you make of it, right?  When and if insight happens, a person might realize that the phrase concerning a boat and a fool, if one gathers a certain manner of understanding. if insight arises, that who you have been, in reference to the boat and the fool, is something you have said by suggesting that Gautama Buddha might have said such a thing in the way you say it.  A little presumptuous, I know, but for ease of correspondence, you sound a little Evangelistic to me, which is interesting because I have similar tendencies.
Sorry if I am “abrupt (?)” in how I say things.
I was wondering if i could gain your feedback on the things I've written in this forum discussion?;
http://pods.gaia.com/starseeds/discussions/view/286361

These are “real” experiences I am having and I'd really like to hear your responses and advice as to how you would approach the experiences I am describing based on who I am and what my insights are.  I'm sorta thinking that my interpretation of what I experience 24/7, might be considered or understood as, something like, maybe, “living in the 'Visionary' Realms?, but I'm not sure.  I also understand that such experiences are “downplayed (?)” by people who practice the Buddhist Religion based on Buddhist Cultural orientations to understandings of the Visionary Realms.
I sorta like how you are referred to as a “Hunk”, if I remember correctly, while I don't remember if it was you who referred to yourself as “Hunk” or not?  There is an 'edginess' to it in light of representing of who you are in one way or another.  I sorta presume that anyone who has devoted their life to practicing Gautama Buddha's Teachings has some wisdom of life and I am appealing to yours and I deeply hope you won't turn away because I work and live in two worlds, or something like that.  I'm hoping my “circumstances” don't dissuade you from sharing with my some inclinations of your mind in light of your wisdom.
Being Person ( super hero)

So dude ? It's like, I'm sitting here at my computer and have been having a truly “unbelievable” experience for almost three years now, in consideration of having begun “reciprocally” interacting with N/nonphysical B/beings, as opposed and what is normative in relation to how the human carbon based life form has evolved into being.  I'm always working, sometimes in a number of different forms of mind.  The most prominent form is in consideration of communicating “within (?)” “mental formations” or “unthought notions” and so on… or telepathy, despite the sci-fi implications.
A way to describe something that I am always doing in one way or another is “rationalizing” amongst the plethora of B/beings I encounter daily, like waves of “rational” that represent consciousness and history in consideration of my consciousness and finding an orienting “resolving” rational that might bring about a “contemporary age of Enlightenment”.  It's pretty cool actually.
In a way, I was very vulnerable when a time came where I had an experience, as I've heard or read in reference to Gautama having “touched” the Earth just prior to his Enlightenment. The way I'd describe it is that beings just lined up an organized themselves almost as if in line to watch a movie.  I'm a little silly about the way it's described… ” …as I am writing through this person now and it's that blatant in mind, body, word, deed… and so on… ” it's sorta fun to share over the internet via the written word.  I couldn't rationalize representing one view over another in light of my view and that I could do nothing but represent all living human beings.  It's a “Global” Society now, and I've not experienced understandings of Teachers or Prophets or Buddha's and so on… of the past… ” …who had expressed their T/teachings in reference to what the world was… “…and well, I was just listening in curiosity of what W/whom ever was speaking through me was going to say….
Being Person (super hero) and F/friends…

Wow, thanks, I really enjoyed your response.  Concerning the boat and the fool.  I understand or view things in a way that considers orientations as to when Teachings were expressed by Gautama Buddha for specific purposes to share with particular individuals. Based on my view or understandings of how American's “understand” Buddhism, it seems to me an unskillful Teaching to share in such a way.  People generally don't understand the Teaching and make a lot of things up in trying to figure it out, it seems to me.  It' doesn't present acknowledgments of amendable manners of considering things based on how “pop culture” effects many westerners.  I may be wrong here and I'd probably go with your view just because your a monk and people will like me better if I do things that way as opposed to this way.
Take the word Karma for example.  I don't really think westerners know the “true” meaning of the word Karma.  It's like, someone translated “dukka” into “suffering” when it's better to interpret it as “stress”, in my opinion.  In a way life is suffering.  It's sorta like He was saying this is how God… made us so get used to it.  People in the west refer to Karma as it's something to uphold to someone when something unfortunate happens to another, too often.  Take for example Sharon Stone, the movie actress, she commented on the earth quakes in China and referenced karma in relation to oppressions of the Tibetan People.  Is that a way you feel westerners should use the word “Karma” or consider such profound teachings.  
Well, America is a melting pot anyway, what's to become of Buddhist Teachings amongst human beings.  Buddhism changed each day Gautama Buddha was alive, I believe, in reference to things that were happening amongst human beings when he was alive.  What feels a little strange is the way you sound “westernized”, your english is very very good, and the attitude, nice.  Now… I'm sorta letting a being write through me now and I understand He's a very becoming Being to have in my body.  Although I usually work in a way where most of the B/beings I work with are anonymous, even the ones I'm familiar with and this one or one of them here understands my sense or humor and is communicating with you in a way that sorta fun and playful, just so you might consider being a little gentler. In a way you don't know what your talking about.  Yes, you are saying things that can be true while you are relying on things that have resulted from what is considered “skillful” in light of how best to convey Gautama Buddhas teachings in today's day and age…
I don't know, maybe I'm wrong?
Being Person (super hero)

Well, I don’t think that anyone will be holding onto the raft, because to say “fool” and “holding onto the raft” is redundant. But on the other hand, one has to make a choice between total individual liberation and the teaching - choosing to teach others the way, which you can’t do without the raft. Right? :)

Hi Luella,

I'm not sure if your asking me but, I'll respond anyway.  Actually I don't know if your “right or wrong”, nor if I'm right or wrong or whatever it is in totality.  So, the raft is figurative and/or metaphorical, or something like that?  I missed the part of learning while growing up where students learn about such things and I've not really developed a manner of interpreting things figuratively or metaphorically and so on.  It doesn't make sense to me to speak figuratively or metaphorically because it leaves things to interpretation and sometimes I wonder how much of talking or conversation or meaning or whatever I miss out on in conversations with people, while to some extent, it feels as though the circumstance I'm describing here has lead to some freedom and creativity aside from just missing the boat when it involves figurative and metaphorical references, while it feels as though such simple Teachings result in what feels like a “blank” mind for me, to some extent.  I get nothing unless I make something up.

Well, until I started finding meaning without looking, or looked for meaning as if thinking about it would help.  LIke, it doesn't make sense to me to have to figure it out in the mind or go through a thought process. 

“Well, of course not.  BP is a little groggy this morning and feeling as though BP might have 'misspoke'. ”

Darn!

While, …”go ahead BP, share some of what you know”.

I'm not sure how to go about saying it.  It's a conundrum to some extent.

“Just so you know, we're some Christian oriented nonphysical newbies here with BP now.  So what is it BP?”

Oh, that part.  I don't think people are ready to gain the details in this kind of format, among other reasons.

“But you share so many different things in an unorthodox way.  Surely you must have some view that will express the truth”.

I could just give the details in relation to Simple Truths, while that's just sorta what if feels like I do anyway, including with intentions of saying things to an extent where people have no idea what I'm referencing aside from a story and so many Simple Truths are involved that people won't be able to make sense of it.

“How about that, we'll just leave things at that”.

Sure, whatever.  While, I got to say, I don't know the half of it.

“But you know a lot of things that people extensively aren't familiar with. Like me typing through you and a lot of stuff like that and your concerned about how to best way to say things in terms of a greater reality that people have been evolved to be “incognizant” of and stuff, right”.

Or so it seems.

“And you traveled around a lot in hopes of finding some help and two different monks told you you were “delusional” and some just listened and talked while other tried to help you but you didn't quite understand cause and effect the way you do now, right.  Or, the expansiveness of your mind in consideration of the clean slate you've been provided with presented reality to you in a way where N/nonphysical C/civilization's were too free (?) to do whatever they wanted because you were caught in the middle somewhere, weren't you?”

Something like that.

“And it seems you were chosen in light of there being a “Global Environment” that people are familiar with these days, based on the availability of your circumstances, while no P/person living on Earth has been it this situation before because human civilization hadn't populated the Earth or hadn't been able to communicate nor “intermingled” in terms of people co-residing with each other from different parts of the world and with “history” being so available to people to learn about, right”.

Something like that, as I understand.

“So what's it like having been told that 'W/we're sharing your Enlightenment?' ”

A lot of work among other things.

“And you ended up considering how to say things based on the information that N/nonphysical B/beings came back to you with based on the responses of people who heard what you were saying and you went about saying things to people that sounded “crazy” so as to get some information via human beings who had heard about what you were blatantly experiencing and/or conveying to them, right?”

Something like that.

“What do you think of Than (Ajaan) Assaji?”

I like him while I feel a sadness concerning “indifference's” that hadn't been addressed by past Prophets, in light of Contemporary Reality, that greatly contributed to human consciousness in consideration of what seems like absences of “Harmonies” amongst different Belief Systems and I feel alone in my efforts to get P/people on the same page, more or less.

“Thanks BP, we appreciate your absence of willingness to not include all the things you do consider in light of your manners of your A/actions and G/guidance.  You've been a great help and we just wanted some things to be shared in a way where people might better understand where your coming from.”

Thank you.

Being Person (super hero)

I'm bad with text heavy internet experiences (apologies)

…but this jumps out at me as very beautiful, thank you:

“… Teachings result in what feels like a “blank” mind for me, to some extent.  I get nothing unless I make something up…”

Thank you for the compliment.  If I were going to add anything it would be that the “practice” of Buddhism is what can lead to “cultivating inner beauty” along with other Religious Teachings from past Prophets.

What may be interesting, and for me “easing” to explain, is that I had learnt how to cultivate “inner beauty” when I was around 28 and via receiving practice sessions from a student of “Body Centered Psychotherapy” and I went through periods of time after that, until age 36, of going in and out of different manners of beauty, as I've mentioned.  Than I ended up at a Buddhist Monastery for four months where the practice was very austere and I ended up having some type of “Awakening” as I understand.  From there I went to live in a mens Buddhist Community, non-monastic, a manner of “western Buddhism”, to work outside of the community to pay off my debts and I had intended to ordain as a monk when I had paid off my debts.

What happened was that I ended up becoming a “victim” of “cult abuse”, as I view it, and had some very unusual experiences which included constant awkward and uncomfortable circumstances for two years that were overwhelming and than things slowed down a bit, for about 21 months, and one day I approached meditation differently and the next day “two Beings from Saturn” introduced themselves as such and the next day I asked one to be a Dharma Teacher and the other to be a Christian Teacher and the next day, as I'd describe it, “my conscious blossomed into the N/nonphysical R/realms”.

Since than, Aug of 2005, I don't think a day has gone by that I haven't interacted with less than 300 B/beings a day and often 1000's if not more, to guesstimate, and things were very rough again for about 18 months while sometimes they still are as when things started to occur reciprocally, where I could talk to any B/being that was present, and a manner of being amongst the Nonphysical Realms has resulted in a manner of “organizing perspectives” or “manners of conduct” in association with my consciousness.  More or less, as I've described elsewhere, that my interactions or “I/interplaying” with N/nonphysical B/beings has resulted in a fair understanding as to what “I/interplay's” are in relation to how human beings interact with “N/nonphysical B/beings” outside of human beings awareness, normatively anyway.

So, when I go to different Churches or Meditation Halls, I interact with the B/beings and have gained a fairly good sense of the issues associated with people in relation to skin color and I/interplay's.  Predominantly Caucasian people are guided by B/beings of the Christian Faith and Asian people are guided by B/beings of the Buddhist Faith, or culturally associated Faiths based on history or to some degree, the Religions of the person's ancestors F/faith's, and manners of I/interplay doesn't change unless a person has an Awakening or becomes a monk or a committed Religious Practitioner of some Faith, as I understand.

Having gone to a number of Dharma talks or to Church's to listen to a sermon, it's became plainly obvious that “intercultural circumstances” pose issues associated with the integration amongst people from different parts of the world.  As I experience things, for example, going to a Dharma talk from a Buddhist Monk who is talking predominantly to Caucasian people, I feel and am part of what is happening amongst the N/nonphysical R/realms in a very distinct way where I'm generally doing my best to “resolve indifference's” amongst Buddhist oriented B/beings and Christian oriented B/beings (in this example) in association with the people there, and it's definitely not all fun and games.

What's wild is that here is this monk giving a Dharma talk, in a way where Christian oriented B/beings are responding to what is occurring in the peoples minds in relation to what is being said and in relation to “manners of I/interplay” and multi cultural or intercultural intermingling where Harmony generally isn't the case and to some extent a manner of “asserting” this R/religious view along with everyone present in relation to the human beings present and their cultural ancestry, along with other circumstances and I understand I'm very good at improving circumstances of “I/interplay's”.

Basically, what I do sounds outrageous because I “get to” enact with my mind what I understand to be appropriate, useful and helpful among other things.  It sounds ridiculous even, and I've approached a number of Monks, Priests or Fathers and some people of other Faiths for help and it's usually the same thing, I'm expected to be the student where I've asked and chosen to be guided by N/nonphysical B/beings in light of contemporary reality, or of an integrated N/nonphysical R/realms if you will.  And as I understand, and not believe, as I view “belief to imply doubt”, I'm playing a very  big roll in cultivating a “neutral” and established new Belief System within the N/nonphysical Realms in consideration if Integral Consciousness and bringing about Global Healing to some degree.  It's very Beautiful, I understand.  Also, it has been directly indicated to me that the B/beings I “W/work” with and am G/guided by would rather They take care of things rather than me talking with other human beings and gaining help from human beings and as I understand things, I'm sharing this, among other things via the internet, because it is time or something like that.

I share this type of information because I gain a response, I interact with B/beings associated with human beings, in consideration of who I'm corresponding with via the internet.  It's like, it's “2008 AD” and things aren't the way they were when Gautama Buddha contributed to what is known as Buddhism or when Jesus Christ contributed to what is know as Christianity and when Mohammed contributed to what is known as Islam and so on.  I'm on this journey and I've gotten in the habit of saying things to people and on the internet so I can gain a response from the B/beings that guide or I/interplay with the human beings that hear or read what I say through the human beings I am communicating with.

I don't like being on this journey alone or unacknowledged actually, while, I'm me and not a past Prophet and my story is different and virtually “almost” no one has stopped and said or responded in a way that I think is appropriate and in particular monks or serious Religious practitioners.  Oh well, “say la vie”.  I understand that I'm not being guided to be a Prophet or something like that in this life time, while I understand the likeliness of it in future life times is where things are headed, so thus “Being Person”, an alias where I can expound on some of the things I experience and understand and than gain information based on how things return to me.

It was quite cool to be in the same town as the Karmapa at on point.  It's like B/beings arrived about 3 weeks ahead of His arrival and they began “checking” me in different ways, it's quite beautiful while not always easy while I'm one determined to do what I understand to be good and right and helpful and so on.

I tell this story here and in other places on the internet so I am not so alone in my experience and to do the best I can to assure things are going well.  I hope people are okay with what I'm describing.  I'm being Guided to share here because Than Ajssai is a Buddhist monk of the Lineage I was going to ordain of.  I interact with Beings who accomplished profound Spiritual Attainment of the Thai Forrest Lineage now and than.  I'm wondering what people feel or think about what I am saying, if you can respond for a moment as if what I'm saying is true, while it's not necessary to believe what I'm saying is true, it would be helpful and appreciated if I could gain some responses, prayers and/or some supportive associations of consideration of people's meditations.  Thanks.

Beauties…

Being Person